>Sender: >To: >X-Original-Message-ID: <000801bf35e4$12e5f820$9acf69cf@pacbell.net> >From: "Peter McWilliams" >Subject: Last night's "Politically Incorrect" >Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:53:47 -0800 >X-Mozilla-Status: 9001 >X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 > > >Politically Incorrect > >November 22, 1999 > >Bill: There is a big trial that's been going on out here, two men who were >involved just pleaded guilty 'cause they had to, and I said before that I >think, you know, drugs -- certainly kids shouldn't be doing them, certainly >we should take it seriously, but is it worth subverting the Constitution and >losing democracy? >Okay, in this trial, these two men, Peter McWilliams and Todd McCormack, >were on trial because, basically what they had done was grown marijuana >based on the 1996 voter-approved referendum out here, proposition 215. >You remember it. >They passed medical marijuana. >Okay, in the trial now, the government, the prosecutors contended and won >from the judge that they were not allowed to mention in the trial that they >had cancer, that they had AIDS, that proposition 215 passed. >They weren't allowed to mention these things in the trial because it would >confuse the jury, because juries are confused by relevant facts. > >[ Laughter ] > >Is stopping drugs worth ruining what this country stands for, I guess is my >question, Joe. > >Joseph: Oh, of course. > >Bill: Not to load the issue. > >Joseph: Bill, of course not. >That's not what we're about. >In that trial -- > >Bill: But that's what they're doing. > >Joseph: In that trial, those two individuals were indicted for sell -- for >growing and distributing -- > >Bill: That's what the government says. > >Joseph: 6,000 marijuana plants. >They pled guilty to that, 6,000 marijuana plants. > >Bill: Because they were not -- they pled guilty because they had no other >choice. > >Joseph: It's the selling and distributing that was the crime, not the >using -- > >Bill: But they weren't selling and distributing. >That's what they -- they pled guilty to that. > >Joseph: They did plead guilty to that -- > >Bill: Because -- they pled guilty because they were not allowed to introduce >and say to the jury, "I have cancer and the state passed medical marijuana." >You don't think barring those two facts from the trial was wrong? > >[ Applause ] > >Joseph: Those facts are gonna be relevant -- > >Bill: Wait, wait -- not allowed to tell the jury those two facts? > >Joseph: They are allowed -- that will be relevant in their sentencing, okay? > >Bill: Their sentencing? > >[ Laughter ] > >Ken: It sounds a little late, doesn't it? > >Bill: It's a little late. > >Kevin: Whoa, whoa, whoa. >They're in the -- "I'm dying, I need the pot." > >Joseph: They had enough plants there to make about 10 million joints. >That's more than they need to take care of their own problem. > >Ken: That's simply not true. >They were using a growing technique called the Sea of Green, which is -- >which grows very, very small marijuana plants. >It's a genetic type -- > >Morgan: Ken, you know a lot about this. > >Ken: I do know a lot about this. >I do know a lot about this. >I've been in contact with them all along throughout this trial process. >And what this was, was a end run by the federal government to get around >proposition 215, they came in and subverted the state's rights and went >against the referendum of the people in this state to prosecute these people >for something that is well within their rights to do and less harmful than >aspirin. > >[ Applause ] > >Joseph: Let me just make one -- there's a very important distinction here. >Medical marijuana is an issue for doctors, for scientists. >If it helps people, if we find out that it helps people, fine. > >Bill: Find out? > >Joseph: Wait a minute, Bill, but just let me finish 'cause you went through >this quickly. >When you're moving at that level, hundreds of thousands of dollars involved >here incidently, this is not some guy sitting at home -- > >Ken: There's no evidence whatsoever of any money being made on this >marijuana, Joe, none. > >Joseph: Nonsense, nonsense, all you have to do is read the paper. > >Bill: I did. > >Joseph: All right, $120,000. > >Ken: Is there any evidence that they made money? >He gave them a book advance. > >Ken: He's a publisher. > >Joseph: 6,000 marijuana plants, come on. > >Ken: He is publisher -- > >[ Talking over each other ] > >Bill: But this is the problem, is that the people who are prosecuting the >drug war know nothing about drugs. >Barry McCaffrey didn't know what a bong was. >And I'm sorry, Joe, but you don't know what 6,000 pot plants are, and >they're not for distribution. >They were not for that. >And they could not add up to 100,000 joints. > >Ken: Who is going to supply medical marijuana? >If somebody doesn't stand up and grow it, who is going to supply it to the >people who need it? >The government? > >Joseph: They were growing these plants -- > >Ken: There are three people in this country that have medical marijuana. > >Joseph: You're wrong about that. > >Kevin: They were growing the pot because the government wasn't supplying >them enough, or the quality wasn't good enough? > >Bill: Well, when does the government ever supply -- > >[ Laughter ] > >Is that where you're getting it from, Kevin, the government? >I got to get your connection. > >Kevin: Right. >But this is what I'm asking, is that -- > >Bill: Well, because proposition 215 passed in '96, where the people -- >somehow the will of the people, the conservative byword, the will of the >people, somehow when the people are for marijuana or gay marriage or >assisted suicide, suddenly the will of the people goes right out the window. > >[ Applause ] > >Suddenly the people are morons who have to be corrected. > >Ken: The reason that the government is against medical marijuana is because >the pharmaceutical companies and the insurance industry are tied in with >trying to make Marinol, which is a derivative or pharmaceutical copy of >marijuana. >They can't make money. >The government can't make money off of it. >The pharmaceutical companies can't make money off of marijuana. > >Bill: But Ken, once again I have to make money, and we will do so right now. > > > >================================================================ > >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: